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对"反战败"说"不"：《在这世界的角落》与美学物质性 (论文翻译)

当然，如果想要从所谓“反战败”的角度展开讨论的话，这里有一份之前我草拟的讨论提纲：

      In 2016, a movie named In This Corner of the World was released. Basically, it describes how Suzu, a young Japanese girl, lived and what she experienced during the later years of pacific war in Kure, Japan (a military harbor city.) While this film received many praises oversea, it received mostly negative views in mainland China, of which the audiences claimed that "It only depicts Japanese civilian's sufferings (loss of relatives who fought in war, casualties during air raids, and Hibakusha) in WWII, but not what Chinese people suffered (vaguely referencing to Nanking massacre, civilian and military causalities, war crimes, injustice of the war, etc.)"
      How then, a movie (or other Japanese works) dedicated to the war time experience of Japanese people (soldiers/civilians), must engage with the sufferings of Chinese people or narrate what the audience think of the Chinese people suffered according to their historical memories (under the moral compulsion of some mainland Chinese)? Why the works (perceived) failed to do so would be labeled as 反战败 (a word I could not properly translate, and which should strictly not to be confused with concepts such as historical revisionism/nihilism)? What caused people from mainland China to think like this, and how is this significant in contemporary China in relation to itself and Japan?
      To understand this, I recommend we focus on 3 key aspects: 1. Wartime experience of Japanese people 2. War and the question of responsibility for Japan and Japanese people in postwar Japan (1940s-1970s, 1980s-now) and 3. How history is constructed/narrated, and how should we approach the history, historical memories, and so on.
      Suggested works to be read/watched before our meeting is right below, although this is just a basic list that for sure couldn’t provide a complete picture. Any other relevant materials (for example, Mao’s comment on role of Japan Army and the guilt of Japanese people/nation afterwar, Discourse on Decadence by Ango Sakaguchi, etc.) are welcomed.

1. 片渕须直 [导演]，《在这世界的（还有更多的）角落》，东映，2019年，https://aniwave.to/watch/in-this-corner-of-the-world.p884/ep-1
2. 共青团中央知乎团队, 《在世界的这个角落和那个角落》，知乎，2019年1月25日（the same date Panjiayu Massacre happened in 1941），https://zhuanlan.zhihu.com/p/55714238 (only in Chinese)
3. 丸山真男 [著]，陈力卫 [译]，<超国家主义的逻辑与心理>，《现代政治的思想与行动》，北京：商务印书馆，2018年，p3-24 (in Chinese and English)
4. 小熊英二 [著]，黄大慧、李丰、王娟、彭程 [译]，《“民主”与“爱国”——战后日本的民族主义与公共性》，北京：社会科学文献出版社，2020年，第1、2、3、10章（only in Chinese, skim or pass chapter 10 if you like）
5. Thomas R. H. Havens. “Women and War in Japan, 1937-45.” The American Historical Review, vol. 80, no. 4, 1975, pp. 913–34. JSTOR, https://doi.org/10.2307/1867444. Accessed 12 Apr. 2024.
6. Kaori Yoshida. “Ambivalent Female Bodies: A Place for Feminine War Memory in Japan.” electronic journal of contemporary japanese studies, vol.22, issue 1, 2022. https://www.japanesestudies.org.uk/ejcjs/vol22/iss1/yoshida.html
7. Petra Goedde, From Villains to Victims: Fraternization and the Feminization of Germany, 1945–1947, Diplomatic History, Volume 23, Issue 1, January 1999, Pages 1–20, https://doi.org/10.1111/0145-2096.00149
8. Yamamoto, Ai, "War Time Memories Of Shojo (Girl) - An Analysis Of A Japanese Girls' Magazine, Shojo No Tomo, And Its Readers" (2017). Electronic Theses and Dissertations. 858. https://egrove.olemiss.edu/etd/858



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进一步阅读：
日本旬报年度第一动画，加长后又来到上影节
电影哲学中的伦理学：卡维尔、德勒兹与列维纳斯

Mechademia有挺多专题的，在同人研究、少女漫画研究等领域中自然绕不开亚文化和LGBTQ+的分析视角（有一期直接叫Queer(ing) ）；如果想看“传统”一些的Mechademia文章，可以读一读更早之前发表的文章

嗯，倒也不是说反感这些研究，只是个人感觉ACGN产物的lgbtq+元素大部分时间服务的还是顺直性别群体吧，看那些文章标题根本不知道会写些什么。。。

是呀，我对欧美语境不是很熟悉，有的时候挺难读懂

德语考试，厉害了👍

受教了，感谢详细的梳理！但我所认为的、我想做的，应该不是「在完全颠倒的误读的前提下，从作品内部寻找某种“深层审美结构”——一个关于不在场之物的在场幻觉」......我只是想借这篇文章的翻译，分享另一个可供选择的视角（用我不成熟的话来说，位于读者的实践中的，可能的、不断的“抽离⇆[再]进入”之动态）与研究方法，并尝试将它融合进“反战败”的话语当中。
我认为，我是不会拒绝互文本的（The "problem" here, therefore, would be inaccessibility and retention），同时，我也是觉得我并没有任何“尝试终止由此产生的社区争论、“将讨论的关注点拉回对漫画作品‘本身’”、“拉回对作品内部符号结构的关注”、“完全颠倒的误读”、“借来权威”、“否认”、“在帖子叙述立场”、“赋权”、或“对反战败说不”的意思的哦，不过，“究竟如何”，于再书写过程中也由不得我了（笑）
在主帖里加了很多引号与括号——more like my sheer playfulness in navigating my mind, rather than taking a stance regarded "legitimate" by me based on inverted misreading or illusion